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Paneling Predicament:

I was so excited to find your article about your friend who was looking for a cheap and easy way to cover his fake wood grain paneling. I am in the exact same situation! Our home was built in 1955, but they later added on a family room using wood paneling instead of drywall. Three different types of paneling, I might add! The article mentioned using mesh tape to cover any "grooves" - but I am dealing with the brick style, grooved, and who knows what else. My plan of attack is to remove all the wallpaper, tape off the baseboards, fill the gaps with caulking, and roll on some sort of drywall compound, like those you mentioned. It's not that I'm lazy. I have an 18 month daughter who likes to "help", so I need an application with little mess and fuss. 

My husband doesn't want me messing with it because he plans on putting up drywall someday.  He is especially concerned with the cost and work involved. We have zero money to do any major projects, but I just can't stand that room anymore! Until I read your message, I was going to pull off all the wallpaper and hang plain liner paper on every wall. The liner paper is $10 per roll (ouch) and I have no desire to hang wallpaper. Your way seems much easier. After all is done and my husband sees the finished product, he will be absolutely tickled! I want to show him that this project can be done easily and with minimal cost and effort.  

I just have a few quick questions before I start buying stuff. I mentioned that I am pulling off wallpaper. In doing so, it leaves behind a gritty surface. Although there are a few joints to fill, I don't plan on using a primer on these areas because it already has "tooth". Could I just roll compound right over it??? Did you water down your compound to make for easier application (not to mention making it go further)??? Can compound go on in one application, assuming all ridges are relatively smooth??? 

One more thing, we get ice forming around the inside of our windows. When it melts, it leaves a mess, and has rotted some of the wood framing around the windows. Do you know an easy and inexpensive way to fix this problem before I spread on the compound??? 

I would appreciate any additional advice and/or thoughts you might have. Thank you. Take care!

Stephanie

 


The author of that article is a HammerZone visitor, who decided to write an article about his project. I don't have any direct experience with this problem, but I do know that drywall mud will stick to many things.

First, the easy question. If your wood windows are experiencing water damage from condensation, I recommend applying a coat of polyurethane (if the windows are bare wood) or, painting with a good quality oil-based primer, followed by a semi-gloss latex paint. A little sanding to remove gray weathered wood is recommended. I have also had luck with applying a bead of Alex Plus caulking between the glass and the wood, after the primer has dried, but before the final coat of paint. This caulking is easy to smooth with a wet finger or a damp paper towel.

As for the paneling... since that article was written I have received a huge packet of painting information from a representative at Zinsser, which makes a very impressive line of primers for many purposes. One of their pamphlets is "Tips For Painting Paneling" It recommends Zinsser's B-I-N Primer Sealer, which will stick to many surfaces including the glossy surfaces that are found on paneling. If it appears that the surface is already okay, it may be that you are seeing the leftover wallpaper adhesive. I would recommend removing wallpaper adhesive with Zinsser's DIF Wallpaper Remover. That stuff really works! I once tried removing thick wallpaper glue with just water and elbow grease... I never did get it all off. What a mistake.

Zinsser also sells the Bondex line of Texture Paints. I have no experience with these products, but they are designed for what you are doing... covering walls.

Check out www.zinsser.com for info on finding a dealer near you. I know Home Depot sells their line of primer.

As for filling in the lines between the bricks, I would try this: Mix up some drywall mud, and apply it with a trowel or wide putty knife to the lines, and then strike it off with a putty knife, leaving only the groove filled with compound. After this first coat has dried, you should be able to apply texture paint or drywall mud. There are special rollers for applying thick gypsum compounds... they look like the same material as those 3M plastic-fiber abrasive scrubby pads, 

For filling the grooves, I would use the "setting type" drywall compound, as it won't shrink near as much and hardens much faster. There are different setting times available, try the 90 minute for a good balance between fast hardening and decent working time.

For the final coat, you can use pre-mixed mud or setting type.

As for using watered-down drywall mud... sure. I always dilute my drywall mud to get a smoother and creamier consistency. But MIXING it is the trick. I bought this huge mixing paddle tool, about 4" in diameter and 2 feet long (which goes in an electric drill) at Home Depot for $17. And it's worth every penny! I use it for mixing mortar and other things. But... it requires a fairly powerful drill. There are smaller versions of this same mixing paddle that may better suit people who don't own big 6 Amp professional-grade drills. I'm currently writing an article that pictures this mixing paddle, in a day or two it'll be on-line.

If you try to mix water into drywall mud and stir it by hand... well, GOOD LUCK! My arm hurts just thinking about it. I flat refuse to mix anything that thick by hand (maybe I'm getting too old!)

When I add water to drywall mud, what I look for is mud that will still stick to my taping knife when I scoop some up and hold the knife upside down. If it's too thin, it drips all over the place, that's the only drawback to adding too much water.

Whatever you do, you really should prime the wall first. If you don't, and that plaster covering starts to flake off in six months because the wall flexed a little, you won't be able to go back. I once painted paneling without any de-glossing or primer... and the next day the paint would peel off IN SHEETS if I just scraped it with my finger nail. Boy, did I regret that paint job!

I'm not sure that I would leave the baseboard on while applying the goo. I would try removing the baseboards and window/door casings, applying the compound, and then later scrape off the high points so the trim will sit on an even surface. This would leave a much cleaner line of contrast. You might find that removing baseboard is less work that masking it off. And you can sand/re-paint the trim while it's off. I always remove trim, and I always re-finish it while it's off, then I caulk the gaps and touch up the nail holes later.

Plus, while the window trim is off, you can insulate and/or caulk between the jamb and the wall. This can significantly reduce cold air infiltration around the windows and doors.

I'm sorry if it sounds like a lot of work, but a quality job takes time. If Zinsser says paneling can be painted, then I am confident that it can also be covered with a gypsum-based compound. But I know one thing from the paint business... nobody will ever honor a warranty if you don't prepare the surface properly... that's why I insist on using the right primer.

Please keep us posted on how things work out. 

Bruce W. Maki, Editor.


An Addendum:

You asked about using fiberglass mesh tape on the grooves in the paneling. I responded that simply filling the grooves with mud should be adequate.

However, you should use mesh tape on the joints BETWEEN PANELS. Without some sort of bridging material, either mesh tape or paper tape, the plaster will crack in time. While the crack may always be tiny, it may be noticeable. Therefore, mesh tape would be recommended as a way to provide a flexible "bridge" between adjacent pieces of paneling.

BWM

 

 

 

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