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Weird Wiring:
Dim Light With
Switch/Outlet Combo

Question:

In a basement room, we typically have the light off, with a night light plugged into the outlet. The light switch has a single outlet with it. We recently realized that if we plug in a fan, it will not work unless the light is turned off. But, when the light is off, and the fan is on, the light has a dim orange glow. Can you please give advice to this matter? When the night light is plugged in, the light can be turned on or off, and there is no glow.

Thank you again for your time. My house is in Montana, and was built in the 1950's.

Dan B.

 

Reply:

This is a puzzling situation, but I can think of at least one incorrect wiring scheme that would cause these symptoms.

First of all, let me make some predictions:

If you were to remove the cover plate on the switch/receptacle combo unit and look inside, I'll bet that you'll find only ONE cable (with two individual wires, one black, one white) entering the junction box. It might be necessary to unscrew the switch/outlet combo device to get a good view inside.

The combo unit should have 3 screws on it: two gold (for the hot connections) and one silver (for the neutral connection).

I also predict that there is a jumper wire from one of the gold screws to the silver screw.

While there may be a white (neutral) and black (hot) wire entering this junction box, both wires are actually hot (assuming I'm correct about there only being one cable in the J-box). This is what I call the "Remote Switch" method of wiring a light switch, and it simply means that there is a "hot-at-all-times" cable at the J-box for the light fixture, and then a single cable is run to the J-box for the switch. One wire will be hot-at-all-times, and the other wire will be hot when the switch is closed (on), thus completing the circuit and energizing the light bulb.

With this "Remote Switch" method there is NO WAY that a receptacle can be properly supplied with hot and neutral wires, so there is no point in using a combo switch/outlet device. But some knucklehead did it anyway.

I figure that by connecting a jumper from the "hot-at-all-times" wire to the silver screw, the outlet would be energized when the switch is OFF.

BUT... whatever device is plugged into that outlet will be in a SERIES circuit with the light bulb overhead. This is the way Christmas tree lights were wired in the old days... one bulb burns out and the others won't work.

Loads are not supposed to be wired in series.

You have a power-sharing arrangement going on because of this series circuit. The fan has a lower resistance than the light bulb, so the fan gets a larger proportion of the power. But the fan doesn't run at full speed because there is a voltage drop across the light bulb. Since there is a small voltage across the light bulb, the bulb will glow dimly.

When the night-light is plugged in, it appears to work normally because it has a very high resistance (a 4-watt night-light bulb would have a resistance of 3600 ohms, while a 60 watt bulb would have a resistance of 240 ohms) When the overhead light is off there is still some current flowing through it, but not enough to make the bulb glow visibly. If you unscrew the overhead light bulb, the night-light should go out, according to my hypothesis.

Also... if you plug a lamp into the outlet, with a bulb of the same wattage as the overhead bulb(s), then when the switch is off both the lamp and the overhead light will glow equally, but not as bright as normal.

What should you do?

This is a code violation. If you (or a subsequent owner) runs a motorized appliance with this plug, you risk burning out the motor because it is not receiving full line voltage.

1. The switch/outlet combo could be replaced with an ordinary switch. I suspect there was a plain switch installed originally, and somebody decided to try installing a switch/outlet combo, and figured out a way to make it work even though there are not the proper hot and neutral wires supplying the junction box.

2. You could replace the 2-conductor cable with a 3-conductor cable, thereby providing the hot and neutral wires, and also the switched wire to control the light bulb. This job could be a hassle if you can't easily access the wiring.

3. You could do nothing, and ONLY plug the night-light into the outlet, and everything should be fine. However, I don't recommend this because if anybody else ever uses that room (like visitors, the next owner, etc.) they might plug something else into that outlet.

Personally, I'd just replace the combo unit with a plain switch, and put a night-light in another outlet.

 

Bruce W. Maki, Editor.

 

 

 

 

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