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Plastic Tub Surround Over Tile?

Question:


The walls of my tub and shower have tiles that go 3/4 of the way up the wall and stop. I was wondering if I can put a tub surround over the tile, or would I have to remove the tile before gluing the tub surround.

Scott from New Jersey

 

Reply:


I really don't know the answer to that question.

I suspect the answer lies in whether Liquid Nails For Tub Surrounds will stick to old tiles. Certainly the tiles will need to be scuffed up some, because almost nothing sticks to shiny surfaces. Sanding the tiles might work, though I'm sure the sandpaper will wear out fast. Since you don't have much area to scuff, this is worth trying.

If the adhesive says it will adhere to tile, then go for it. Otherwise, doing a small test would be a good idea. I would scuff up a small section of tile and try gluing a small piece of plywood to the tile. Let it dry for a few days and then see how much force is required to peel it off. This is a judgment call, however, because I don't know of any easy way to measure the amount of force required to peel a piece of wood off the wall, nor do I know how much bond strength is needed to hold the tub surround to the wall. I guess it boils down to this: If the wood practically falls off the wall, then gluing your surround won't work.

The only product I know of that claims to stick to glossy surfaces is Zinsser's B-I-N Primer Sealer, which is an alcohol based primer. (You'll need either denatured alcohol or ammonia to clean your paint brushes). A quart of this very versatile primer costs about $6. I suppose a light scuff sanding followed by a coat of B-I-N Primer would be my approach.

Since the surround is normally caulked around the perimeter with silicone, the edge treatment (if done carefully) should prevent the plastic sheet from peeling away in the first place. And silicone should have no problem sticking to tile, the painted wall, or the tub.

I would be tempted to scrape the tiles off the wall, but if there's drywall underneath the paper coating will get ripped badly. This can be repaired with Gardz primer from Zinsser, but if the paper gets ripped all the way through to the gypsum core, the strength of the wall may be jeopardized. Then the idea arises of removing the drywall and replacing it with new greenboard, which means going all the way to the ceiling, and that means finishing drywall corners, painting the entire room, yada yada yada... this is getting way too involved!

Even if the old drywall survives without much surface damage, there is still the chance that the surface roughness will "telegraph" through the sheet plastic surround. Of course, the joints in the tile work could also telegraph through, so choose the heaviest plastic you can afford.


Bruce W. Maki, Editor.

 

 

 

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